Flash Player Questions

Mitomind · 2012-07-10 01:41:32

xpornclub wrote:

Here is the problem, for the first time ever, mobile devices such as smart phones and I pads, out sold desktop and laptop computers combined. So most people can not afford to have a ipad and laptop or desktop, so they only have one and if they want to watch porn on it they will find a way. Most people have a case that can stand for their ipad.

I won't argue that mobile devices outsell desktops and laptops. I also develop for mobile devices.

If you look closer at the stats... I'm sure they're heavy on smart phones and not tablets. Very heavy.

So, how much porn do you think people watch on their smartphones? Not much. Most of the large tube sites have a mobile presence, but it's nothing that WOW's.

Now, let's look at demographics:

Is the kid or the poor college student - who has only the phone or tablet, going to purchase a Brazzer's subscription or pay for video chat by clicking a link on your website? Doubtful.

Is the 50 year old man who has every device imaginable in his house, who is sick of his wife, and likes hot blonds going to get those subscriptions? YES.

Bottom line, you have to look at who is going to be making you money. Just like sneaker companies market to 15-24 yo, and McDonald's markets to the poor... you market to who is going to make you money and it isn't the people who use a mobile device as their primary means of viewing porn.

symtab · 2012-07-10 06:16:18

McDonald's markes to the poor? You should come in Romania and see all the stupid rich people go eat at mcdonald's and see themselfs as different and get fat :-) Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Eri · 2012-07-10 06:38:02

Just had a new email from Nuevoplayer yesterday and they have v6 :

1. Nuevoplayer version 6 with HTML5 support
http://www.guitar-tube.com/html5

2. New incredible plugin that allows to display video thumbs over progressbar, like lately youtube does.
http://www.guitar-tube.com/slides

3. New plugin that allows to display on player Facebook icon, which expands into Facebook like box widget
http://www.guitar-tube.com/plugins/fsb

Mitomind · 2012-07-10 06:54:18

symtab wrote:

McDonald's markes to the poor? You should come in Romania and see all the stupid rich people go eat at mcdonald's and see themselfs as different and get fat :-) Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Well, maybe 'Poor' was a bad word to choose. They market their food as inexpensive. Which means you can feed your six kids on welfare for under $10.

FYI - I eat at McDonald's. Hopefully your script will help me start eating at KFC.

symtab · 2012-07-10 10:53:53

I hope my script will make you stop eating at McDonald's and KFC and start eating at Adult Natural Resort :-)

@Eri: i cant add nuevo...we had a few clients asking the owner of nuevo to make it work with Adult Script Pro, but the nuevo owner/developer doesnt want to do it (there are a few reasons for this...). I made it work for a few sites though.

Mitomind · 2012-07-10 11:48:10

symtab wrote:

I hope my script will make you stop eating at McDonald's and KFC and start eating at Adult Natural Resort :-)
@Eri: i cant add nuevo...we had a few clients asking the owner of nuevo to make it work with Adult Script Pro, but the doesnt want to do it (there are a few reasons for this...). I made it work for a few sites though.

I hope so too... because that food's really expensive.

Nuevolab · 2012-08-18 23:41:57

Eri wrote:

Just had a new email from Nuevoplayer yesterday and they have v6 :

The links are not valid and lead to our private site, with errors of course.

Valid links are

1. Nuevoplayer version 6
http://www.nuevolab.com

2. New incredible plugin that allows to display video thumbs over progressbar, like lately youtube does.
http://www.nuevolab.com/slides

Third option is rather non-adult offer

We just released full AdultScript Pro integration, thanks to kindness of AdultScript Pro developer.
http://www.nuevolab.com/integration/aspro

It was not easy job, as AdultScript Pro was completely new for us.

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Kind regards to all webmasters here,
especially to AdultScript Pro developer.
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Last edited by Nuevolab (2012-08-21 19:46:04)

Eri · 2012-08-22 19:51:53

Nuevoplayer 6 for ASP

Very Good news
Changing from JW to Nuevo

satty · 2012-10-04 07:15:51

i think flash player is good. JWplayer would be even better as i suppose that it works with HTML5 and flash both

Nuevolab · 2012-10-04 07:56:52

Nuevoplayer can play HTML5 as well.
However there's no such need on AdultScriptPro as there is mobile separate template which send video to play with native HTML5 video player.

It could be useful if someone modify the script not to use naitve html5 fullscreen player on tablets. But it's not so easy to detect and differ tablet from mobile. That's whole story.... Even what Google suggests is not working 100%.

Non fullscreen HTML5 player (native or custom) could be also useful if someone offers embedding videos.
At the moment ASP doesn't offer embedding videos for HTML5 at all. Also iframe with embedded player is not perfect... So again this is more script's embed system case (and we even offer better iframe with HTML5 support).

If you wish to have all Nuevoplayer features with JWPlayer - you would have to pay 3 times more, but even then you would have trouble with understanding and using features/options.
That's huge difference to what we offer.

BTW.

I was just working tonight on other streaming solution, to secure video files against download or leeching more than "mod_secdownload" for lighttpd or similar for nginx. It's solution similar to FlowPlayer, but is even more secure, allows to set secdownload timeout to 3-5 seconds instead of 3600 what most of you have.
But even with such awesome method - lighttpd secdownload mod doesn't secure non-authorized video URL at all, and it's easy to guess what is real video URL, then download or leech it any time.
So much better then is to use Apache streaming mods + mod-auth-token, which doesn't allow to access original video URL ever.
That's what I personally use on my site. Even if you knew any of my videos URL - you can't access it in any way.

Last edited by Nuevolab (2012-10-04 07:59:37)

satty · 2012-11-26 12:19:07

its good but it will only support flash and not others like html5

satty · 2012-12-12 06:55:34

what about integration. how to integrate this player with sites.

Nuevolab · 2012-12-14 03:22:20

satty wrote:

its good but it will only support flash and not others like html5

You are wrong or did not even visited Nuevoplayer homepage.
Nuevoplayer supports HTML5 from pretty long time and was enough verified under multiple devices with HTML5.
It has even more options for HTML5 than any other player.

However AdultScriptPro is using "mobile" template, which doesn't use any player for mobile devices,
only image as link to mobile video, which when clicked plays native HTML5 fullscreen then (it's also default and only available playback for smaller devices like iPhone).
So any player with HTML5 support has no use then.
Of course it's possible to change this, but that's another story.

Well, I found that webmasters experience and knowledge about HTML5 is pretty limited,
but of course it's a case of time when most will learn more about this type of playback.
I guess not everyone has device with HTML5, and few only got multiple devices based on different systems.
Even myself I could work only with iPhone, iPad, Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (android) and GALAXY Tab 10.1 (android)
Three of it I still have at home.

At the moment webkit based devices are best for HTML5 playback (iPad/iPhone), androids are still far behind.
Of course any talking about HTML5 is completely useless if video script doesn't convert for mobile format (ASP does)
FLV video is flash format and flash is not supported by mobile devices using HTML5.

Nuevoplayer same as for few other scripts is same well integrated with ASP script, or even better.

Last edited by Nuevolab (2012-12-14 17:00:10)

symtab · 2012-12-14 08:30:03

You think its already time to create a HTML5 only site? With small modifications i can do this with ASPRO (basically enable mp4 conversion for all videos and disable flv conversion).

Eri · 2012-12-14 18:13:05

symtab wrote:

You think its already time to create a HTML5 only site? With small modifications i can do this with ASPRO (basically enable mp4 conversion for all videos and disable flv conversion).

Some sponsor have only flv files ( 80% of them ) what we are going to do there ?
Redtube is doing something else...it support html5 for table and flash for pc users. But doing this for mobile is worthless because mobile banner pays you more so having a mobile site is more profitable.

Last edited by Eri (2012-12-14 18:13:42)

symtab · 2012-12-14 18:28:39

Well i guess we wait then, maybe make the mobile part better in the future. Mobile traffic converts very very good :-)

xpornclub · 2012-12-15 01:49:34

I also agree that I might not be the best idea to go all to html5 but maybe a combination of html5 and flash

symtab · 2012-12-15 07:21:10

So where we have a mp4 file and html5 is supported by the browser we could display the flowplayer html5 player?

Eri · 2012-12-15 09:37:10

yes why not .... after the upgrade i am thinking to use NuevoPlayer with thumb preview and in ads player ..
I do not like flowplayer because need to much code to show up and plugins ... so the total size of the player goes +200kb per visit to show a video.
At the moment i am using JWplayer and need only 100kb as the player is the only js that it has is SWFObject and is hosted on google CDN.

dose Nuevoplayer support SWFObject?

symtab · 2012-12-15 10:21:55

I think nuevo supports swfobject. Each player has +/-, however flowplayer is good for us because you can configure everything and you have access to all features (for example in JW you cannot display ads without their $$ plugins...).

Nuevolab · 2012-12-15 15:50:40

Really some questions and theories are complete missunderstanding of what video player can be or is.

All players that support HTML5 have 2 versions: js and swf (flash).

Current flowplayer is minimal size, but it's because most of content is hosted outside of server.
Then Nuevoplayer filesize is: 92KB (flash) + 105KB (js)
FInally JW - 114KB (flash) + 130KB (js)

Whatever filesize is - it's like nothing when you compare it to video you play, so it's not a matter to worry.
More important is server that it comes from (how fast it is).
I am not a fan of hosting such content outside of own servers.
This is obvious that when your website works fine, also each file will load fine, you're not dependednt of any other server. And in case of Flow or JW plugins the content is loaded from different server, which not necessary is fast enough.
This is also one of major suggestions of Google and most of seo experts to limit number of different servers to load site's content.

Asking about SWF object is missunderstanding. It was popular for a long time, but if you think a little: this is another huge javascript to load, additionally it can load flash content much slower, as it fires once entire site document is fully loaded.
SWF object can be used for any flash application, it doesn't need any support from flash applications.

In days of HTML5 players (like 3 mentioned) this is javascript code that renders necessary code for the player,
Usually javascript first detect browser's flash support and iif it's present - renders code for flash player swf instance.
SWF object is not used for it, player javascript code does same job already.

As a long time developer and programmer I noticed that waiting for flash player until entire document is ready can be pretty slow, so opposite to Flow and JW, Nuevoplayer javascript renders flash player much sooner, just as only flash detected, it doesn't wait for document to be fully loaded.

All 3 players has enough of javascript bridge methods to code any adavnced feature like overlay ads. For JW and Nuevoplayer it's possible to create javascript listeners for wide range of player events.
I don't remember, but once Flow offered ready overlay solution. SNuevoplayer also has ready premium AnyAd overlay plugin, and opposite to other overlay solutions it has multiple options to configure, like preroll timeout (player is locked), overlay position, target url, etc, different close button). Such plugin is open source so those who has programming experience can extend it more. Such plugin is the only one which works with inline HTML5 player on iPad tablets.
Nuevoplayer ASP integration also support ASP built-in overlay ads.
For all 3 players it's easy to integrate ads from such networks as Exoclick or AdXpansion.

JWPlayer and Nuevoplayer offers progressbar thumbs plugin, however it's hard to compare both.
Nuevoplayer plugin is much more optimized, requires only 1 jpg picture to load instead of hundreds small thumbs. It was well described on Nuevolab website. I could analyze JW plugin so I know what I say. I found their plugin not so great, for smaller webmasters with smaller servers really killing one with hundreds of HTTP requests. So I spent a lot of time to optimize such plugin for Nuevoplayer to load thumbs fast with minimum http request and filesize.

I hope this clears some myths and information about players.

As a programmer, if I could have some wishes (for Christmas) - I wish so androids have much better javascript support for video tag. At the moment it really sucks and makes impossible any advanced player programming. It's easy to find that all html5 players has very limited version for androids. This is shame for androids devs.

symtab · 2012-12-15 16:54:22

I want better control that AnyAds (which can work with all players, and its simple to implement). Anyway...in 1.2 we will probably support a HTML5 player of ipads and browsers that support html5 video, iphone/android phones will be still redirected to the mobile site. Still time to decide about everything when the time comes.

Nuevolab · 2012-12-15 22:33:19

ASP mobile template is OK.
The only thing I would change is play video template. I would give video tag instead of small thumb.

the most easy code would be:

<video id="vid" width="xxx" src="mobile_video.mp4" height="xxx" controls="controls" poster="bigscreenshot.jpg"></video>

It is also suggested to give onclick action for some weird androids:

onclick="document.getElementById('vid').play();"

or assign 2 objects with "absolute" position (inside relative div),
- one for sceenshot with play big icon overlayed
- second for video tag as above (hidden or behind screenshot)
then on screenshot div click use javascript as above + hide screenshot div.
This is not complicated, especially for you Symtab, but looks and plays better,especially on tablets.
Of course video and screenshot size best would be percentage of screen size.
As I found your template page has min-height of 559px, good player dimension can be: width:60%, height:320px
I just set it on my ASP demo site, looks and works good. This is really minimum job, just like 5 minutes or less.

BTW Symtab, I'm sorry to say but videos on ASP demo site watched from iPad are restricted (401 code)
I believe this is because of nginx or lighttpd security module

Last edited by Nuevolab (2012-12-16 04:56:22)

symtab · 2012-12-16 08:51:43

Thank you for reporting. I'll fix the demo mobile 404/401 part. Will probably also add html5 video in 1.2 or 1.0.5.

rbmoss · 2012-12-19 08:03:55

can this player be integrated. player is good but will it work with all formats.

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